This is the first time I used the new SnowMaster. I had a chance to use it on 4-10 inches of snow on cement, gravel and turf. The snow ranged from 4 inches of powder to slush to 10 inches of nice heavy snow. Enjoy!
Blowing snow is not an exact science. Because of that I tried to use the SnowMaster on as many different surfaces and types of snow as I could find.
UPDATE: After the latest east coast storm, there are a few videos showing up on youtube using the 824 and 724. I listed them at the end of this article.
Update Jan 2018:
Hi Paul, Just wanted to post a note of thanks for all the great info on this site. Based on everything I read here and my needs (small driveway, Boston suburbs, etc.), I bought the SnowMaster 824 QXE to replace a really awful two-stage snow thrower, and I could not be happier!
This thing throws snow farther than either two-stage I previously owned, and the speed is just incredible. The amount of time I save because of the chute joystick and not needing to shift gears is remarkable.
Boston’s bomb cyclone snow event today was the second chance for me to use the new SnowMaster, and it dominated everything this storm could throw at it. With some patience and practice, I was easily slicing through 12 to 18-inch drifts. Note: I wasn’t sure about getting the larger engine, but today made it worth it. The extra power was helpful.
As stated in the reviews, the one weakness I found is the weight. There are times when it rides up the deep snow or won’t quite cut through the harder stuff on the ground. However, for me, the weight is more often a positive, as I can very easily pull it up our sloped driveway and sidewalk. Also, this snow thrower is so light I can pull it up a few steps to clear off the walk to my back patio and most of the patio in a matter of minutes, versus an hour of back-breaking shoveling in the past.
Regarding the personal pace system, I had never used it before. At first, I thought it was way too fast and difficult to control. However, after about 30 minutes of use, I was very comfortable with it.
For anyone on the fence after reading these reviews and watching video of the SnowMaster, go for it.
Jason
Here is what I like about the SnowMaster:
- The 824 QXE has a lot of power. Even with wet snow from the snow plow it blasted the snow 15-20 feet. Most of the time it was throwing snow 20-30 feet.
- It has plenty of traction under all conditions. Even when I took it out on the lawn on 3 inch tall grass and cleared 10 inches of snow the tires had plenty of traction and didn’t spin. The SnowMaster is a lot lighter than a traditional 2-stage so the tires are just right. It spun a little on gravel but that’s expected.
- Toro does not recommend using it on turf or gravel. I tried it out anyway on a frozen gravel driveway and 3 inch tall grass. It’s not meant to clear gravel and turf but in a pinch and with a little practice it will work. There are two reasons it’s not the best choice. First the skid shoes can’t adjust for more clearance under the scraper so it will throw rocks. Second, the Personal Pace will cause the front of the snow blower to buck up when it gets stuck in the turf.
- If you live in an area that gets more 2-6 inch snows than 10-20 incher’s it’s a better choice than a single stage. If you live in an area where you don’t get 2-6 foot drifts it will handle the occasional 18 inch drift just fine.
- It will take as much snow as you can push through it. With most residential 2-stage snow blowers when the snow gets too deep for it the snow will build up in front of the snow blower and you have to slow down or stop and wait for the 2-stage front auger to catch up. If you don’t the snow will fall out the side (windrow) and you will end up having to go back over again or you have to take 1/2 passes. Even in 10 inch snow the SnowMaster did not leave a windrow out the side.
- My neighbor has a 15 year old 2-stage, 26 inch, 8HP snow blower. It’s well maintained. I could clear the same snow twice as fast because he had to slow down and wait for the snow blower to swallow all the snow.
- The chute control is super-quick and so easy. It’s tall enough that you don’t get slow blowing back in your face.
- I have a 16X70 concrete driveway, an old street paver patio and I clear about a 20X20 area of turf for my dogs. I live in an area with lots of trees so I don’t get drifts. I seldom get more than 15 inches of snow. This SnowMaster is just right for me.
Here is what you may complain about.
- It will take you a little while to get used to the Personal Pace. It’s different than anything you have used before. To use it, grab the handle with both hands and just start walking, but I caught myself pushing on the handle before I started walking and that caused the snow thrower to jump. Once I figured out what I was doing and then concentrated for a few minutes I got the hang of it. After 30 minutes or so I can say I like it!
- I’ve had a few readers say, “It doesn’t have a reverse!” It does not need one. There is a full length steel handle under the Personal Pace handle. When you want to go backwards just grab that bar and pull it back. It’s very light and easier to pull back than a single stage snow thrower (with the smaller wheels) I never felt like I was going to slip and fall pulling it backwards.
- It does not work that well on gravel driveways. Don’t buy it if your driveway is gravel or turf.
Here’s a video for you.
I boiled about an hour’s worth of use down to 12 minutes. Enjoy!
Be nice! I know snow blowers a lot better than video editing….
Disclaimer: I purchased this snow blower myself. Toro did not compensate me in any way for positive comments and likewise other companies did not pay me for negative comments.
If you would like to buy one please head over to this article for the buy links:
2015 Toro SnowMaster 724 QXE, 824 QXE Picture Review
Feel free to ask any questions in the comment section below:
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Jason
Just wanted to post a note of thanks for all the great info on this site. Based on everything I read here and my needs (small driveway, Boston suburbs, etc.), I bought the SnowMaster 824 QXE to replace a really awful two-stage snow thrower, and I could not be happier!
This thing throws snow farther than either two-stage I previously owned, and the speed is just incredible. The amount of time I save because of the chute joystick and not needing to shift gears is remarkable.
Boston’s bomb cyclone snow event today was the second chance for me to use the new SnowMaster, and it dominated everything this storm could throw at it. With some patience and practice, I was easily slicing through 12- to 18-inch drifts. Note: I wasn’t sure about getting the larger engine, but today made it worth it. The extra power was helpful.
As stated in the reviews, the one weakness I found is the weight. There are times when it rides up the deep snow or won’t quite cut through the harder stuff on the ground. However, for me, the weight is more often a positive, as I can very easily pull it up our sloped driveway and sidewalk. Also, this snow thrower is so light I can pull it up a few steps to clear off the walk to my back patio and most of the patio in a matter of minutes, versus an hour of back-breaking shoveling in the past.
Regarding the personal pace system, I had never used it before. At first, I thought it was way too fast and difficult to control. However, after about 30 minutes of use, I was very comfortable with it.
For anyone on the fence after reading these reviews and watching video of the SnowMaster, go for it.
Chris F.
Hi Paul,
Just wanted to thank you very much for this site and your reviews. I live just west of Green Bay and bought the SnowMaster 824. The storm today was my first opportunity to test it out with 9 inches of snow and about a 16″ plow drift at the end of my paved driveway. This machine made quick work and never bogged down despite walking very, very fast through the regular snow. The plow drift was still a comfortable, somewhat slower pace but with no issues. Previously I had used a John Deere two-stage from over 25 years ago and there is just no comparison. The SnowMaster was exactly what I had hoped for and more.
Thanks again for all your work and reviews!
Paul
Hi Chris, You are very welcome!
Matt
Hi Paul:
I am looking for a snowblower to handle Long Island Winters. We average about 50″ a year and the storms range in all different totals. I have about 1000 sq/ft of drivewayand 200 sq/ft of sidewalk. I am on the fence with a two stage and have been seriously considering the Snowmaster 824 OXE. I did notice that the Power Max 824 OE is $50 cheaper. Why would that be? It is a two stge and chepaer. Is it because it does not have power steering like the Snowmaster?
Paul
Hi Matt, The biggest reason why the Power Max 824 OE is less money is that it does not have the power/automatic steering. You have to go up to the Power Max 826 OXE to get it in a Toro 2-stage. The second reason is the market demand. A high quality 250cc’ish 24 inch 2-stage like the Power Max 824 OE or the Ariens Compact are all priced at the $799-$899 price point. And finally, The SnowMaster 824 QXE has a very unique niche cut out of the market. There is nothing else on the market quite like it.
I have a tough time recommending the SnowMaster to people living on Long Island. The SnowMaster is very easy to use and fast on 2-8 inch snows. It’s really fun to use. The SnowMaster will easily handle about 85% of the snows you get but it won’t handle ALL of the types of snow as well as a 2-stage. It has plenty of power and capacity to handle the snow but it’s quite a bit lighter than a 2-stage. Being so much lighter it will have traction issues with 12 inches or more of wet heavy, snow. It will have traction issues with the snow plow drift of salted wet snow the city leaves you at the end of your driveway. If the city plow throws snow onto you sidewalk it will also have some traction issues clearing it.
So, with the SnowMaster there may be times when you really need to go out in the snow storm and clean the first 6 inches or so. Then come back later and clean up. The Power Max 824 OE, on the other hand, will clear all the snow but it will be slower on the light snows and a little harder to turn without the power steering.
Matt
Thasnk Paul! The dealer actually recommended the Power max but I am on the fence. I like that the Snow Master is light way and easily maneuverable. Plus it will clear to the pavement in light storms. I plan on giving both a test this weekend. I only need to worry about the plow at the EOD stuff. None thrown up on to the sidewalk.
Matt
Adding – I also looked at the Sno-Tek and Ariens Compat. I was told the Sno-Tek was pretty much the Ariens Classic…
So you would recommend the Power Max over the Ariens? And would do you think about the Sno-Tek? It is about $150-$250 cheaper…
Paul
Hi Matt, The Classic looks like the Sno-Tek but it’s not. There have been a lot of minor changes to make the Classic a better machine. If you go that way spend the extra $50 for the Classic. Remember the Sno-Tek and Classic are only 208cc’ish so they won’t have the power of the Power Max 824 or the Ariens Compact.
It’s a tough call between the Power Max 824 or the Ariens Compact. Both are good machines, both don’t have power steering, both have a decent chute control, both have a great engine and both have an excellent dealer network. I suggest playing with each one on the sales floor and go with the one that feels the best.
jbandl
I read all the messages on this page,
but I want to confirm some things.
I’m going to buy a Powermax 724 or Snowmaster 724.
Annual snow is 6ft, a storm can be 14″ with 2ft drifting.
Driveway is 80ft x12, walks are 70ft, curb cleanup is 50ft.
I prefer the Snowmaster for easy turns/operation, light weight,
and low clog risk, even though the Powermax has chute-bypass.
(a clog stick is not even provided with the Snowmaster)
But I also clear 60ft of pathways over turf.
My impression is that the Snowmaster is trouble on turf if
the turf is soft, and the scraper will try to dig into the turf.
But I want to gamble that I can finesse the Snowmaster
for 60 ft of soft turf, even though my wife might not try that.
Will the Snowmaster work for us ?
(I’m willing to break up frozen plow piles with a shovel, but I
could also attach a bar of steel on the intake housing for weight.)
Paul
Hi jbandl, To summarize, The biggest disadvantage buying the Power Max 724 is it does not have power steering. You have to go to the 826 OXE to get it with Toro’s 2-stage machines. The biggest advantage of it over the SnowMaster is it will go off road – but – it has only 13 inch wheels so it will also have traction issues clearing the turf area.
If you have problems using the SnowMaster on turf feel free to write back and I’ll show you how I do it.
I have a new article on the 2017 Toro’s here: 2017 Toro Snow Blowers – What’s New – Which One Is Best For You?
Kevin
Has anyone tried to remove the spark plug on their Snowmaster? I have a 724QXE. I love the blower and want to prep it for the summer per the manual.
I have a 13/16″ spark plug socket but it doesn’t seem to have enough clearance around the plug to get on the plug to remove it. Can any recommend me a spark plug socket to get/use?
stevea3342
Hi Paul, I guess April is a strange time to think about a new snowblower, but with this past season fresh in my mind, maybe it’s a good time to think about what I’ll be buying in September or October. I live in Stratford CT and our annual average is about 30 inches and my driveway is flat asphalt about 10×50. I have a craftsman 21 inch 179cc Single stage. Sounds like I probably have the right machine? No!
I almost always get 2 foot drifts between my house and the cars if we get more than six inches and the last two storms were heavy snow soaked with more rain (maybe 8 inches each). At best I could use the craftsman as a battering ram into the snow. I think I’m still aching. Also, my neighbors don’t often move their cars during a storm so I have to clear parts of the road if I want to park in front of my house, plus the normal plow piles. The craftsman is not very effective on crusty or wet plow piles.
I came from consumer reports thinking that I had to have a 3 stage. I’m glad I found your site for more research and I was pretty set on the Ariens 24″ deluxe. Now I am thinking that the 724 or 824qxe would be a good option. Although the 824qxe is very close to the Ariens pricewise, I like the size and maneuverability of the 824qxe. I’m just so tired of my current single stage it’s hard to think about buying another one. I want something adequate for the worst storm and fast and easy for regular snow falls. The Ariens and Toros both seem like overkill but I don’t want to endure another season with the 21″ craftsman.
I don’t want to pick on the craftsman too much, it does what it is supposed to do, but it’s not a good fit for me.
Paul
Hi Stevea, You are correct, there is nothing wrong with the Craftsman but like all the single stage snow throwers (except the Toro Snow Master) it really only works well on 6 inches or less snow.
The best snow blower that you mentioned for all the different types of snow you get is the Ariens Deluxe 24 – not the Ariens compact. It will handle that heavy wet, rain soaked snow without a whimper. But it’s not going to be as fast for cleaning the 2-6 inch snows as the Toro SnowMaster.
The SnowMaster is fast for 2-8 inch snows. In my opinion the 724 will handle 80% of the different snows you get and the 824 will handle 90%. But it weighs 1/2 as much as the Ariens Deluxe 24. Because of that it wont’s have as much traction and it will not push through heavy wet drifts that well. It will handle the 20 inch drifts between the cars but you will have a hard time busting that first pass through rain soaked deep drifts. Of course once you get the first pass open then it will handle the rest because you don’t need to take a full width pass.
Stevea3342
Would you estimate for the 90% of the time the Toro is all I need, would it be faster and easier to handle than the Ariens? That last 10% may only happen once a year or every other year.
Paul
@Stevea, Yes, That’s exactly what I am trying to say. It’s faster and easier for most snows. It’s a little light for the wet heavy stuff
stevea3342
Would you recommend anything else besides the Ariens deluxe 24 or the Snowmaster 824?
And sort of off topic, the only ethenol fuel I can get within a lightyear of my house is 94 octane. Is that safe/better to use that the 10% ethanol stuff we are forced to buy everywhere else?
Paul
Hi Stevea, There is always a dozen or more snow blowers that are choices that you can make but most people don’t want to overwhelmed with all those choice. The Deluxe 24 and SnowMaster are two of the best choices and will give you any years of use.
Please read the operator’s manual. These engines are designed to run on the 10% 87 octane fuel. Running the higher octane in the winter can actually make them harder to start and they may not run as well. Follow the recommended storage procedures for your new machine.
stevea3342
Thanks for all of your help. After watching several videos and and reading the information on your site, I think the Snowmaster 824 is definitely the right snowblower for me. Is there a way to support you, even buying at Home Depot? Thanks
Paul
Hi steve3342, Thank you. If you buy on homedepot.com and use this link I’ll make a commission. Toro SnowMaster 824 QXE 24 in. Single-Stage Gas Snow Blower
If would you like to buy from your local dealer or store but still want to support MovingSnow just click on this link and buy anything you need. I’ll make a small commission from the sale. Buy at Amazon. MovingSnow is a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, and we get a commission on purchases made through our links.
Michael S.
I live in Bucks County, PA and we got about 4-5 inches of heavy wet snow on Thursday. I bought the 824QXE at a local dealer last year at the end of the season. I have been dying to use this thing to test it out!
Well, it did not disappoint!!!!! Started on the first pull. I had my 2 car driveway done in a matter of minutes. I ended up doing about 5 of my neighbors driveways too.
My machine did not clog even though the stuff was super wet. At times, it didn’t shoot that far, but it never clogged. I was happy.
The thing that I was most impressed with was the Personal Pace feature. It is SOOOOO smooth and natural feeling. I was watching neighbors using 2-stage machines; they were having to shift and push down the handles. Terrible
I can’t wait for more snow. I love this machine.
Brent
Paul,
This is such a great site, and your detail and thorough reviews are so helpful, especially for those of us buying our 1st snowblower. I’m also in the Metro Detroit area (Dearborn). We share an adjacent driveway with our neighbor, making it a 7 car length long, 2 car width driveway. The driveway then expands behind each of our houses in front of our 2 car garage, and their 3 car garage, making a continuous pad of concrete approx 6 cars wide .. so a good bit of concrete to clear. Also the snow between our houses needs to all get moved to either the front or back of our houses, so the snow needs to be moved twice (either thrown 20′ or more up or down the driveway, then thrown out into the yards). I would likely clear both driveways, as well as the sidewalk in front of the 6 houses on our block (a lot of seniors on our street). There is a grade to our driveway, but not real steep. Also, the concrete pads on our respective driveways seem to float a bit due to frost heaving, so we will occasionally get as much as a 1 1/2″ offset in elevation at the expansion joints, which changes thoughout the winter, but settles back by spring. We also have the thin (somewhat fragile) 1/2″ brick pavers over concrete for the sidewalk leading to our front door. I was thinking of the Toro Snowmaster 724 QXE or 824 QXE because we already have a Toro Personal Pace mower, so we are use to that. Do you think it will handle the potential expansion joint issues without damaging itself, or the thin brick pavers without damaging the pavers? Also, would either the 724 or 824 throw an adequate distance or should I shift to a true 2 stage. I also like a faster moving snowblower since many of the snows in this area seems 6″ or less, and I will have a lot of distance to cover, but I am open to any better ideas.
Thanks again for all of your great advice
Paul
Hi Brent, The 824 QXE is big enough for your area but because you have to re-blow the snow it’s not the best choice. A Power Max® 826 OXE (37781) is a better choice. Why? Mainly because re-blown snow gets heavy and the single paddle on the 824 won’t throw it as far. Put both machines side-by-side and the 826 will throw the snow consistently twice as far. Neither machine will plug but the 826 has the best system for handling that heavy snow.
I also suggest you buy the poly skid shoes. They won’t scratch or tear up your pavers. Toro Poly Skid Shoe Kit
Brent
Paul,
Thanks again for your detailed response. I had a couple of follow-up questions regarding the “floating” slabs of cement, and the occasional vertical offsets due to frost heaving. I thought I had heard that the much faster rotation of the snowmaster paddles allowed it to somewhat bounce off of such cracks or obstacles versus a true 2-stage. Any truth to that? Also, with the fairly long distance that I will typically cover (fairly long adjoining driveway and a long block of sidewalks), and given that most of the snows we have experienced here over the last 15 yrs have been 6″ or less, will I be sacrificing much in speed with the Power Max 826 OXE vs the 824 QXE, in exchange for the better throwing distance.
Thanks again.
Paul
Hi Brent, The Snowmaster does have rubber edges on the paddles it should handle that type of abuse. It does not have shear pins and the drive belt is toothed (for max power) so I wouldn’t make a habit of that. The 826 also has no shear pins but is built tough enough it doesn’t need it.
The 824 should through 6 inches as fast as you can walk. The 826 handles well about 2-3 mph.
Jennifer
Salt Lake City, Utah. Two paved driveways. One is a single car width but 4 car lengths long. Second driveway is 3 car wide by 2 cars long. Two sisters wanting to share a snow blower. Only using on pavement. Looking for a reliable machine that we can also blow our elderly neighbor’s driveways. I was looking at the Toro 721 RC Commercial or the Toro Snowmaster but not sure of the 724 or 824. Looking for something that will blow the light snow, big and little storms as well as spring slush.
Paul
Hi Jennifer, So, The regular single stage snow throwers like the 721 RC are too small. I normally suggest a 2-stage for your area but in this case I feel the SnowMaster will work for you. It will easily handle 14 inch snows and can handle 18-20 inchers if it has to. It will throw snow twice as far as the 721 so it will save you a lot of work and time. It’s also faster than using a 2-stage. For most 2-10 inch snow it will clear your area up to twice as fast. It’s as easy as a push mower to use. The only real negative is it’s not designed to work on gravel or turf. From your comment though this won’t be an issue.
It doesn’t plug. It won’t plug like a two stage and it won’t cake full of snow like typical single stage. So, it will handle the light snows, heavy snows and the slush.
I really recommend the 824 SnowMaster because the larger engine will handle heavy snow faster. The 724 SnowMaster will also work for you but won’t be as fast. This time of year though Home Depot may only have the 724 one anyway.
I suggest staying away from the 724 ZXR (the cheapest one.) It doesn’t have electric start and the basic chute control is cumbersome. So, here some links.
Toro SnowMaster 824 QXE 24 in. Gas Snow Blower
Toro SnowMaster 724 QXE 24 in. 2-Stage Gas Snow Blower
Here are two articles/videos of the machine I suggest: Toro SnowMaster 724 QXE or 824 QXE Unboxing and Toro SnowMaster 824 QXE Test
Jennifer
Thank you. I really appreciate your time and all the great info.
Tom Daley
Hi Paul, I live in Ottawa Canada and I’m thinking of getting the 724 QXE Snow Master for next year. I have a double lane drive way with a length of 2 cars so not too long. I’m more concern with end of driveway snow left by city plow. Now my local Home Depot has the 724 OE 2 stage at a lower price, I like the light weight and easy to maneuver of the 724 QXE Snow Master but on the other hand the 724 OE is a true 2 stage. What should I get? Decision … decision.
Thanks.
Tom
Paul
Hi Tom, The 724 OE will handle all your snow from 2 inches to 20 inches. It will cut through that end of driveway snow even if it has settled to 24 hours or so. But,
The single stage 724 QXE will handle 90% of your snow twice as fast as the 2-stage 724 OE. It will handle snow from 1 inch to about 18 inches. In the 1-6 inch range it is a lot faster than the OE, meaning it can throw snow just about as fast as you can walk. It will handle the end of driveway snow but it’s very light weight so if that snow has settled and hardened it won’t push through that drift on it’s own. You will have to bring a shovel out with you to break up that hard snow.
The both throw the snow about the same distance. The 724 OE has a solid axle – it is harder to turn. The 724 QXE SnowMaster has the automatic steering so it is very easy to turn. Feel free to ask any other questions.
Tom Daley
Thanks for the reply Paul. Look like I will get the 724 QXE SnowMaster, just waiting for a sale.
Mark Curtiss
Hi Paul, I live just outside of Boston, MA, which on average gets 50″-60″ of snow per year since it’s coastal, but has the occasional banner year like last year with 110+”. We have a short mildly sloped two car concrete driveway with 5′ retaining walls on both sides, and about 50 feet of concrete sidewalk with a 3′ retaining wall along one side, plus the need to clear the street to the curb for extra parking. So I’m looking for a snowblower that can handle the unevenness of the concrete sidewalks, and throw street slop across 6′ of sidewalk and over the 3′ retaining wall. I’m trying to decide between the Toro SnowMaster 824 QXE, the Toro PowerMax 826 QXE, and the Craftsman 88694, although I’m open to other suggestions. It seems like the 824 OXE might be better with the uneven sidewalks, but the 826 OXE might be better getting the slop over the retaining walls. What do you think?
Paul
Hi Mark, If you want a snow blower that will consistently get the slop that far I suggest the Toro PowerMax HD 826 or the Ariens Deluxe 24. These two machines have a larger 14 inch impeller that will throw wet stuff better. Of the two the PowerMax HD also has the Anti-Clogging System so it won’t plug. The HD is only $300 more than the PowerMax and is considerably better in capacity and throwing. Plus, It will handle the next “Snowmageddon” you get 🙂
CG
Paul,
Thanks for everything. Your site is tremendous. Just got the 824 QXE. Bought it based on your recommendation and Long Island winters. Winter here can give us 10″ of wet mess or 2′ of powder, then the annoying 3-4′ which you feel obligated to clean. (Then it’ll melt and refreeze twice in a day.) Coastal winters are different. I was dead afraid of paying $1000+ for a blower and then having it dud out in the deep wet stuff. Anyway the 824 QXE will be more than enough blower for what we get here. I’d bet the model with the smaller engine would be just fine. I just threw 5″ of refroze snow 15-20′. I didn’t think it’d do it and it really ate it up. I was taken back a bit. It’ll do 10″ of that kind of snow easy. Just some other thoughts. This blower isn’t for gravel or grass. It will get down right to the surface. You don’t want to get into a brick or big rock, but that’s true of all blowers. Simple assembly- socket set and 10 minutes. Love the fuel drain screw and oil drain extended neck. Light weight and not having a reverse is a non issue. Not too big to fit in my 10’x10′ shed. All engine controls on the right side of the engine and all together for simple operation. Just a tad too big and heavy to singlehandedly lift into the pickup, but simple for two people. This new “paddle wheel style auger” is the wave of the future.
Thanks again!
Jim
Thank you so much for the reply. Now how about the Cub Cadet Model # 2X 524 SWE? That seems to have nice features and good reviews and a pretty reasonable price.
Paul
Hi Jim, The 524 is a 24 inch MTD with power steering. It is the same snow blower as the Craftsman 88694 except 2 inches narrower. It will do everything you want your snow blower to do including clean the are for the dogs.
Gary
I live in Colorado Springs. We get several 6-10″ snow falls and yesterday got 17″. The driveway is cement 2-car wide x 125 long straight. Also have 25 x 25 Trex deck and stamped concrete patio 40 x 45 and a straight 50′ of sidewalk. I usually shovel but this last snow convinced me I need a snow blower plus I am turning 75. I have never used a snow blower before. My neighbor has a 15 year old Honda and swears by it. I have been reading your Toro 824 reviews with interest. My deck is a raised deck 3 steps so I need to be able to lift the blower up there. Looking forward to hearing from you
Paul
Hi Gary, My share of that storm is coming down right now. It looks like I’m only getting 6 inches or so.
Honda single stage snow throwers have a great rep but your neighbor’s probably had a really hard time dealing with 10 plus inches yesterday. I have the Toro 824 but if you really don’t get a lot of wet, heavy snow you will be just as happy with the 724 OXE. They have been working ok with the 15-18 inch snow storms including that wet snow they got on Long Island last weekend.
Jim
Hi Paul,
I am very torn. I live on Long Island, NY. Pretty large driveway, 2-3 cars wide maybe 60 feet long plus a garage in the back another 80 feet of grass. I am torn between the Toro Snowmaster 724/824 and the Craftsman Quiet 26 Inch Snow Thrower Model 88694. People seem to love the Toro, even with the last storm. Does the 2 inches make a big difference? I like the fact that the Toro will clean down to the pavement. But how well does it do with end of driveway stuff, or even re-blown stuff. I see your Toro did well on turf, even if its not meant for it. Would the 724 cut it? It seems to have good power, being the cheapest of the 3 that would be a good benefit. Then there is the Powermax 826 OXE, that looks like a beast, do I need that? I’m 41 and in ok shape, I just dont want to shovel, and my Craftsman single stage is not quite cutting it.
Thanks for your input,
Jim
Paul
Hi Jim, Although the I got the SnowMaster to work on grass Toro doesn’t recommend it. I know for most people it will be hard to control the Personal Pace when the front sticks in the grass. So, let’s talk about the other selections.
The 88694 is a very quiet snow blower. It has plenty of power for those 4-10 inch snows but it will feel under powered for those occasional 12-16 inch heavy, wet snow you get. So, if you don’t mind taking your time when you get a big storm….
The Toro PowerMax 826 OXE is a good all around choice. Knowing the quality Toro puts into their snow blowers I expect that one to last you a long time. It has plenty of power for all the snows you get and it will throw snow farther than the
SnowMaster or the Craftsman. It will handle your driveway, your snow plow drift and will go out and clean the grass well. Yes, it’s $250 more than the 724 SnowMaster but it is worth the extra money for what it does. When you factor in the 10-15 year life it actually becomes a good value.
Richard
Paul, thanks for the prompt response. So you believe the Chinese manufactured engine will be as reliable as those made in the US?
Paul
Hi Richard, It’s really a rhetorical question because all snow blowers engines except one are made over seas. The only engine I am aware of made in the U.S. is the one in the Honda single stage snowthrower. That said, the Powermore, Loncin (Toro), LCT (Ariens, Husqvarna) and Honda engines are more reliable that the Tecumseh and Briggs made before 2007. go here to check out where they are made: Who Makes Briggs & Stratton, MTD, Craftsman, Ariens, and Husqvarna Snow Blower Engines
Richard Moore
Hello Paul,
Thank you for the very thorough review of the 824 QXE. We live in Trotwood OH, have a two-car driveway that is about 35 feet long, and I also clean the sidewalks and similar driveways for two elderly neighbors. I recently sold my 12 year old 2-stage MTD because it was becoming harder for me to maneuver, and overkill for light snow. With annual oil changes and an occasional spark plug replacement my MTD (with a Tecumseh engine) was trouble-free . I am convinced the 824 QXE would meet my requirements, but I am concerned with the reliability of the Toro engine Made in China. At $849 I expect the snow blower to last a long time with regular maintenance. What are your thoughts on long term reliability of the 824 QXE with the Chinese made engine.
Paul
Hi Richard, I expect the Toro engine to last 2 to 3 times longer than your old Tecumseh. The average life of your old side-valve engine was 250 hours. This OHV engine is expected to last 2-3 time longer than that.
Michael
Hi Paul, I live in Ashburn, Virginia, and the average snowfall for the area is reportedly about 22 inches; however, we do occasionally get snowfall that exceeds that amount (this weekend for instance). I have an electric Snow Joe, but it just doesn’t make the grade, so I want to upgrade to gas snow blower.
My driveway is 20′ x 60′ with a slight slope and I also have about 30 feet of sidewalks I need to clean. After reading through your site and reviews, I narrowed down my candidates to the Toro Snowmaster 724 QXE, Toro Powermax 724 OE, and the Craftsman 88173, but also had the Cub Cadet 524 SWE and the Ariens Compact 24 on the short list.
We’ve had some wet/heavy snows and I want a machine that will be able to handle the wet/heavy stuff as well as the piles the plow leaves at the EOD. Another factor is I want something that my wife would be able to use without much trouble in case I’m not home when the snow is falling. I’m really leaning towards the 724 QXE based on Dan’s comment above (from 25 January), but your thoughts would be appreciated.
Paul
Hi Michael, Sorry for the delay, I’ve been a little busy. I think the 724 QXE is the perfect choice. It will claen really well and we found out this weekend that it can easily handle 18 inches of snow. It handled the 22 to 30 inch area with a little work but typically didn’t better than most older 2-stage snow blowers.
Justin F
Why would someone spend $800 for a single stage snow thrower when you could get a two stage for about the same price?
Paul
At Justin, A single stage is better for cleaning down to the pavement. A single stage is easier to get in and out of a vehicle. A single stage is easier to store. A single stage is the best choice if you live where people drive over or walk over your sidewalks and it needs to be cleaned. On 6 inches or less it’s a lot faster than a 2-stage, a lot faster.
If you live south of Interstate 70 it’s most likely the best choice. A $800 single stage will last as long as a $1500 2-stage.
Dan
Hi Paul
This is a follow up on the Snow Master 824 QXE that I purchased based on my research and your recomendation. We just had a 20 inch + snowfall this weekend in New Jersey and I used the Toro for the first time. I used it 3 times during the blizzard to keep up with the snow fall and it worked well (after getting used to the personal pace). I still had a little difficulty with the turns with the snow being so high. My major concern was with the end of driveway pile which is why I purchased this machine. I am glad to report that the Snow Master handled the EOD of 25 to 30 inches, it powered through in 2 passes. I was impressed. The only negative I experienced was when taking 12 inches or less width of snow that the Snow Master pushed some snow out the opposite side rather than blowing it up the chute, requiring an additional pass. Overall I was quite pleased with the performance and it was considerably faster than my neighbors 2 stage snow blowers. I think it’s a keeper.
Paul
Hi Dan, I’m glad you are happy! It’s only advertised to handle 18 inches so to hear it will handle 25 to 30 inch plow piles is really good to hear. I’m feeling more confident everyday that this is the right snow blower for most people that want a 24 inch 2-stage machine.
I’ll have to take a video of it clearing a half-pass so people understand the blow-by. Like you said, it’s not a problem – just something you need to know about.
Tony
Hello Paul. I live in Louisville KY. My drive way is only really one lane wide, but maybe 300 feet long. I can blow snow in any direction. Its very slick black top, with slight grade except for a steep short section that must be kept clean to use. This section is the reason I think I need a stage 1 type. Something that gets to the pavement. The snowmaster seems like a great new concept, but everyone seems to tell me if I am willing to spend that much, I am crazy not to get a two stage. We only get 20-24 inches a year. 8-12 at a time is a lot. 2 to 6 is normal. Is the snowmaster worth it, and is it right for me.
Paul
Hi Tony, I’ll give you my views on both a single stage and the SnowMaster/2-stage.
What the people you are talking to don’t know is the SnowMaster is twice as fast as a 2-stage at clearing off the types of snow you get. Even if you got a 6 inch snow the SnowMaster will clear as fast as you can walk – up to 3 1/2 MPH. At this point in time I also think the SnowMaster will handle the heavy, wet snow you sometimes get better than a residential 2-stage.
I will say the 724 QXE is a good choice for you instead of a 2-stage, but the 824 with the larger engine will have all the power you would ever need. Before I talk about a single stage let’s see if a Snow Master can work for you.
With a 2-stage you have to leave a 1/4 inch gap under the scraper bar. If you don’t the scraper catches on every little crack or bump and either the snow blower stops with a jar or you rip the seal-coat off you blacktop. 1. If you do run a 2-stage right on the blacktop it either sticks a lot or you leave gouges in your blacktop. Not huge gouges but over 5 years you will be able to see the toll the snow blower is taking on your drive. If you care about how your driveway looks this will be a problem. 2. If you run the scraper right on the blacktop it wears pretty quickly and on that long of drive you will have to replace the bar every other year or so.
The SnowMaster cleans the pavement just a little better than a 2-stage. It uses a poly compression scraper that rides on the pavement. Since it has a little give it rides over cracks and bumps a lot better than a 2-stage. The poly doesn’t scratch your drive. It also wears a lot better than a metal scraper mainly because the SnowMaster is so much lighter than a two-stage and also the angle of the scraper to the pavement. Your ground doesn’t freeze that often so if you are willing to spread a little salt/deicer/sand on that slope after you clear it with the SnowMaster I feel it’s a really good choice.
So, Let’s look at a single stage. A good single stage like the Toro 721 series or the Ariens Path Pro cleans right down to the pavement. They will handle 95% of you snow well and both will last a long time. They will keep that hill clean without salt/sand. The only real issue I have with them for you is they are 21/22 inches wide. So with an 8 feet by 300 feet driveway you will have to make 3 round trips to get it clean. Since the SnowMaster is 3 inches wider you can clear it in 2 passes. In other words if you can make the SnowMaster work it will save you at least 600 feet of walking each time it snows.
Corey
Hello Paul,
I live in southwest Michigan near Grand Rapids. I have a 13 year old single stage 5hp Toro CCR 2450 that now leaks gas. Rather than fix the leak and/or take it in to the dealer, I’m looking for something new. I’d like something with more power and a 2 stage since my single stage struggles with heavy snow and EOD snow. Since we’re about 12 miles from Lake Michigan, we’re prone to lake effect snow. In typical lake effect squalls, we can get a foot or more of snow. I have a cement driveway that’s 30’x70′ and has a 3% incline. My neighbor and I like to cut a trail through the yard to give our kids a shortcut path to the bus stop. For me, it’s around a 40′ path.
I’ve been looking at the Husqvarna ST224 and the Ariens Compact 24 2 stage models. But, I’ve also been reading your reviews on the Toro Snowmaster series and I’m intrigued by those…
Would you go with the classic 2 stage blower or the new Toro “hybrid” 2 stage Snowmaster?
Paul
Hi Corey, The ST224 and the Ariens Compact are good snow blowers. Are you aware that both of them have a solid axle? They are a little harder to turn than the models with power steering.
The Husqvarna ST224P is $100 more: Husqvarna ST224P – 24-Inch 208cc Two Stage Electric Start with Power Steering Snowthrower – 961930122
. It is the same snow blower with the power steering.
The Ariens Deluxe 24 has the power steering in the Ariens line. It also is just a $100 more than the Compact but you move from a residential grade snow blower to heavy-duty machine. It is built heavier duty and has a 14 inch impeller instead of the 12 inch on the Compact and the Husqvarna’s. It will move snow faster and throw it 40 feet.
I’m not sure if the SnowMaster is the right choice. Yes, it is a big step up from your single stage. It will handle 12 inch drifts. It’s very easy to use. In my opinion it is much faster than a 2-stage because the scraper rides over the cracks in your cement instead of catching on them. I find myself walking behind it at the same speed as a push mower. (With a 2-stage I tend to walk slower) It will handle the end-of-driveway stuff. The only real negative is it won’t throw the snow all the way across your 30 foot driveway all the time. In addition some owners are having a hard time getting used to the Personal Pace. If you decide it will work I suggest getting the 824 QXE. With the larger engine the 824 handles deeper snow and heavy, wet snow better.
The reviews are coming is and the SnowMaster is getting a solid 4.5 out of 5 stars. The 824 is getting even better reviews than the 724.
Here is a typical review from Home Depot: “I live in a suburb north of Chicago I purchased the Toro 721QZE (previous machines single stage Toro 221 and two stage Toro 521). We had our first huge heavy wet snowstorm(16″+total). This machine is fast and zero turns very easy to use and works great. The self propel personal pace is great(3.5mph top speed). It went through 6-7″ of slush and did not stall or plug up. The next day everything was frozen and I managed to stall it out, on 12″ of frozen chunks, but once I got the hang of the self propel vs frozen deep snow (ease up on the Personal Pace and occasionally back up when you hit a huge pile or chunk), I found it would break it up and clear down to the pavement…this is definitely a hybrid machine with dual capability and did I mention very quiet too. If I had to deal with this type of snow conditions all the time I might opt for the 824(250cc version) and I’m sure nothing would stop it.”
Here is a Home Depot link to read more: Toro Snow Removal SnowMaster 824 QXE 24 in. Gas Snow Blower 36003
Ed
Paul,
I purchased a cabin at the southern end of the Sierra’s at an elevation of 6000 ft, 2 years ago. We have been in a drought situation since I have had the place. Well thanks goodness for El Nino we are seeing some snowfall and have had quite a few snow evolutions this year ranging from 2 to 10 inches. I have a asphalt driveway approximately 60 feet long and 30 feet wide and a wood deck about the same width and 12 feet long I would like to clear. I have been comparing the Toro Snowmaster and Husqvarna P224 with power steering as an option or maybe you have a better suggestion. Can you provide me with a suggestion of which would be better for my area? The Snowmaster leaves me hesitant regarding the wood deck.
Thank you for your assistance it is much appreciated.
Paul
Hi Ed, Two big benefits of the SnowMaster is weight and poly skid shoes. The SnowMaster is 75 lbs lighter than the ST224P so it will be a lot easier to get up and down stairs. The poly skid shoes won’t scratch your deck. The Husqvarna comes with both steel and poly, but the ploy are pretty wimpy.
Even though I like the Husqvarna a lot and many readers of this site buy it, I think the SnowMaster may be the best choice for you.
Boyd
Paul,
I live in Rochester Hills, Michigan. I have a concrete driveway that has a straight section (40-50 feet long, 2 car width, sloping slightly away from the house) and a 1/2 circle section (70-90 feet long, one car width, sloping slightly away from the house). I also have a short sidewalk from the 1/2 circle section to the house. Given the location of the house, we often get a fair amount of drifting (1-2 feet) near the house and along the 1/2 circle portion of the driveway. I usually just shovel smaller amounts of snow and I often clean the driveway more than once in heavier snow with my older model Craftsman single stage machine (which is now broken and being replaced). I am trying to decide between the Toro 721 qze ($769 at a local dealer) and the 724 qxe ($750 at a local dealer). I would like something that cleans all the way to the surface across the entire width of the opening (so I don’t have to go back over the driveway with a shovel) and is capable of handling the mess left by the plow at both ends of my driveway. I would appreciate your thoughts/recommendations. I also have three related questions: First, do you know how warranty work is performed for machines bought at Home Depot (I’m trying to decide if it is worth buying from a local dealer, who also services machines, even if it means paying more than I would pay at Home Depot)?. Second, I thought that I read somewhere that the 724 qxe had trouble with tire tracks if snow is driven on before you get to it with a snowblower – any thoughts on that as well. Third, is the spark plug access any easier with the 724 qxe than it is with the 721 qze?
Thank you very much for your time and your help.
Paul
Hi Boyd, The SnowMaster, 724 QXE uses a scraper bar so it leaves a film of snow on the pavement but not enough that you have to clean it again with the shovel. It won’t clean the spot that you drove on with the car like a single stage will. If you look at the area I did in the first part of the video the sun cleaned that off so the drive was dry by the end of the day.
End of Driveway snow the SnowMaster wins, hands down.
Most dealers are selling the QXE for the same price as Home Depot. The retail is $849 and the “promo” price is $749. If the dealer is charging the retail, ask them to price match Home Depot. If they won’t there are 10 other Toro dealers within 15 miles of you.
Toro usually selects a larger or “master” dealer to do the Home Depot work. It may or may not be your closest dealer. I have 8 dealers within 30 miles of me and I only go to one. He always gives me the promo price, has a big parts department and doesn’t put you at the back of the list if you bought somewhere else.
The SnowMaster does not have trouble with tire tracks. It handles them just as well as any other 2-stage snow blower. What the new owner was saying is the snowmaster does not scrape the ground clean like a single stage. In other words, it has a scraper bar that cleans so it will leave a small amount of snow and won’t beat the snow off the pavement like a single stage will.
The spark plug is right out in the open. Search the site for “SnowMaster Picture Review” and you can read that article. The article shows where the spark plug is.
Damion
Hi Paul,
I’m looking for my first snow blower. I live in Metro Detroit and looking to clear a two car driveway 40′ x 20′ and 65′ of sidewalk. I’m a complete novice and learnt a lot from your website. What would you recommend?
Paul
Hi Damion, My number one choice for best value snow blower is a great snow blower for you. Here is my review: 2014 – 2015 Craftsman 24 inch 208cc Model 88173 Snow Blower Review